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No Beef during Commonwealth Games in Delhi

The Chinese lady behind the counter looked at me asked “Do you want white rice or fried rice with your Kung Pao Chicken”?  I replied that I wanted fried rice.  She looked a little confused.  She asked me again “You want Pork fried rice”? I again said yes.  As I stood and watched her husband prepare the dish in the chicken I was thinking to

myself the number of times I have been asked the same question in Chinese restaurants in the United States in the past two decades.

Americans and Indians who live in America hold certain stereotypical views of India.  Many Dunkin Donuts, mini marts like 7-11 and small motels in America are owned by Indians.  In many places I have noticed that the moment you enter the Indians behind the counter start talking to you in either Hindi or Gujarati.

They assume that as an Indian I understand Hindi. I do not and I never felt the need to learn these languages (Hindi is spoken by only about 35% – 40% of India’s population).  If I had an urge to learn another language I probably would learn Spanish.  Spanish is the second most widely spoken language in the world after Mandarin and in another 30 years will replace English as the main language spoken in America.

Many Americans also assume that Indians are vegetarians.  How can a country of 1.1 billion that has one of the longest coastlines in the world, numerous rivers and lakes, almost 30% of the world’s cattle and have huge deserts and arid regions be strictly vegetarian?  There are vegetarians in India.  It is possible that India might have more vegetarians as a percentage of the overall population than many other countries.  This is partly due the beliefs among some Hindus, Buddhists and Jains that eating meat is against their religion.  Majority of Hindus do not see it that way and categorizing Indians as mostly vegetarians is incorrect.

But this does not stop the fundamentalists.  Most of us know that the Commonwealth Games will be held in New Delhi in October 2010.  The Municipal Corporation of Delhi (MCD) has passed a resolution indicating that beef should not be included on the menu for the Commonwealth Games.  The former BJP President Rajnath Singh, who is also a member of parliament from Ghaziabad, said that “the MCD resolution becomes significant as it reflects the cultural and religious sentiments of the majority of the people living in Delhi”.  He also said that this resolution “reverberates the voice of the entire nation”.  I do not agree with these statements on many levels.

Although many Indians would disagree eating beef is part of the Indian culture.  There are about 150 million Indians who are Muslims (many of whom eat beef).  Muslims have been part of the Indian fabric for over 1100 years.  Muslims are part of the Indian culture although some in Rajnath Singh’s party might disagree.  Obviously there are millions of Indians of other faiths particularly from Kerala and West Bengal who eat beef.

There is a myth that the invading Muslim rulers introduced Indians to eating beef.  But it is clear from the Vedas and other ancient scriptures that Indians did eat beef thousands of years before Islam reached India.  According to the Vedas Lord Indra ate bulls meat and Lord Agni ate bulls meat and also cow meat.  Vedas also talk about 250 animals of which 50 are deemed fit for sacrifice and human consumption including the cow.  The Charaka Samhita (ancient Indian Ayurvedic text) prescribes beef (and beef soup) as a medicine for curing diseases such as fever.  For more on this subject please read “Holy Cow: Beef in Indian Dietary Traditions” by Professor Dwijendra Narayan Jha.

The voice of the majority works differently in politics when compared to other issues like individual rights.  In politics the majority rule but not so in other areas.  The resolution passed by the MCD cannot override the individual rights of the citizens of Delhi or the Indian athletes who will be attending the Commonwealth Games.  They may want to eat beef which is not illegal in India (only cow slaughtering is illegal in certain states).

I always believed that the more religious you are the less you know about your religion.  Organizations like the BJP, VHP and RSS act as if they are the guardians of the Hindu religion.  But time and time again they have failed to educate the public on what Hinduism really is and its history.  Even at their peak, BJP has failed to capture the imagination of a large number of people (particularly in the South and Northeast).  Some of their policies, like their opposition to eating beef show that the BJP is nothing but a regional Hindu party from the “cow belt”.  They do not have a national perspective.

I am hoping that the Lieutenant Governor of Delhi and the Commonwealth Games organizing committee will reject these proposals.

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  1. B K CHOWLA says:

    Irrespective of the arguments-I feel beef should not be served.

  2. sfauthor says:

    Nice posting. Do you know about these Samhita texts?

    http://www.YogaVidya.com/ss.html

    • Hari says:

      Welcome and thank you for your compliments.

      Actually I did not know a lot about these texts prior to writing this article. I hope to learn more when I get some time.

      • priya says:

        i think that this topic is no such a big issue…. it shouldn’t be posted here… on internet rlly its not such a big issue i think tht more bigger issue is the leakage of roof and the dscvery of a snake In the room where the players were staying bcoz of whch the foreing players refused to stay there and beside they stayed in hotels……..

        • Hari says:

          Priya,

          Thank you for being the judge and the jury. Maybe this issue is not important to you but discrimination of all sorts is important to millions of other Indians like me. People like me care about how other Indians think of me and treat me as compared to how foreigners think of me or treat me!

  3. Shail says:

    “…..the more religious you are the less you know about your religion.” Period.

  4. “…..the more religious you are the less you know about your religion.”…and more closed your mind is to life

    • Hari says:

      Couldn’t agree with you more Nalini. Welcome to my site.

  5. magiceye says:

    unfortunately it is all about politicising every issue to further their own cause irrespective of exposing their gross ignorance of all matters religious..

    • Hari says:

      I agree with you. Unfortunately there are millions of Indians who support such politicians who have to share the blame as well.

  6. Singh says:

    What??? You are really a frustrated soul. You mentioned your issues with people assuming you do not eat Pork. Why does it offend you? Majority of the Muslims in this world and USA are from South Asia and they physically look like you and they are very assertive of their Islamic identity, values, faith and taboos. And they have made sure that Public at large in USA knows that they fast during Ramadan month and they do not eat Pork. As such you issue is personal problem. Secondly Hindi with all its dialects is spoken by over 80 of Indians. By the way get your facts correct first Gujrati is also a dialect and member of Hindi family of languages. Once again get you facts correct Spanish is not the most widely spoken language in the world after Mandarin. Hindustani is the second most spoken and Bengali is right there on number 3. where are you getting your facts from………….. USA has the largest speaker of Spanish in the world around 35 million. Around half of the Hispanish decendents kids do not speak Spanish anymore they speak English only. So I do not know where you getting these wild crazy ideas of Spanish becoming the number one spoken language in USA in 3 decades………. WOW now you are a Vedic Scholar. Can you prove in “FULL CONTEXT” that Vedas sanction “Beef eating” and killing of cows. Even you mentioned bulls or is it Buffaloes???? Again you mentioned “Charaka Samhita” – You againing claiming to be an authority on the subject have you read all the 120 chapters and all the 8 different subjects ????Under what school of study and under which chapter and in what context does he mention “beef” as cure for fever?????? And lastly from your writings it is obvious you are not religious and as such do not have faith in Hindu religion their sentiments etc.. Therefore you have no right to criticize anything about them and violate their fundamental rights. Learn to respect…. By the read “Dialogues’ from Aristotle. He encounter all Mr “Know it all” like you………

    • Hari says:

      I am frustrated? I eat pork and I love it and I have nothing against people who eat pork.

      Hindi is spoken by 35% – 40% of India’s population according to the Indian census department which is the point I made in the article. I am not taking about dialects. Hindi itself is a dialect and is part of the Indo-European language family.

      Spanish will be the most widely spoken language in the USA by 2050. This is according to the US Census department.

      I also hope you read the book “Holy Cow: Beef in Indian Dietary Traditions” by renowned historian Professor D.N. Jha.

      I urge you to be less hateful towards other human beings and respect their opinions. You do not have to agree with it.

      I am as much a Hindu as the next person. My mind is also “open”. I am not set in my ways.

      • Katherine Hoggard says:

        The vested interests that malign the Vedas are not confined to foreign and home-bred indologists alone. A certain class among Hindus exploited the rest of the population including the socially and economically weaker sections by forcing them to believe and follow what they said in the name of Vedas or else face the wrath.

        All the slanders heaped upon the Vedas can be attributed mainly to the interpretations of commentaries written by Mahidhar, Uvat and Saayan in the medieval times; and to what Vam-margis or the Tantra cult propagated in their books in the name of the Vedas.

        In due course the falsehood spread far and wide and they became even more deep rooted when western scholars with their half baked knowledge of Sanskrit transliterated these interpretations of commentaries of Sayan and Mahidhar, in the name of translating the Vedas.

        However, they lacked the pre-requisite understanding of Shiksha (Phonetics), Vyakarana (Grammar), Nirukta (Philology), Nighantu (Vocabulary), Chhanda (Prosody), Jyotish (Astronomy), Kalpa and so on that are critical for correct interpretation of the Vedas.

        The purpose behind this series of videos is to objectively evaluate all such misconceptions about the Vedas – the foundation of human knowledge and establish their piety, sanctity, great ideals and philosophy that cater not only to Hindus but to every human being without bars, bias or discrimination of any kind.

        Section 1: No violence against animals
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        Yasmintsarvaani bhutaanyaatmaivaabhuudvijaanatah
        Tatra ko mohah kah shokah ekatvamanupasyatah
        Yajurveda 40.7

        “Those who see all beings as souls do not feel infatuation or anguish at their sight, for they experience oneness with them”.
        How could people who believed in the doctrines of indestructibility, transmigration dare to kill living animals in yajnas? They might be seeing the souls of their own near and dear ones of bygone days residing in those living beings.
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        Anumantaa vishasitaa nihantaa krayavikrayee
        Samskartaa chopahartaa cha khadakashcheti ghaatakaah
        Manusmrithi 5.51
        Those who permit slaying of animals; those who bring animals for slaughter; those who slaughter; those who sell meat; those who purchase meat; those who prepare dish out of it; those who serve that
        meat and those who eat are all murderers.
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        Breehimattam yavamattamatho maashamatho tilam
        Esha vaam bhaago nihito ratnadheyaaya dantau maa hinsishtam pitaram maataram cha
        Atharvaveda 6.140.2

        O teeth! You eat rice, you eat barley, you gram and you eat sesame. These cereals are specifically meant for you. Do not kill those who are capable of being fathers and mothers.
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        Ya aamam maansamadanti paurusheyam cha ye kravih
        Garbhaan khaadanti keshavaastaanito naashayaamasi
        Atharvaveda 8.6.23

        We ought to destroy those who eat cooked as well as uncooked meat, meat involving destruction of males and females, foetus and eggs.
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        Anago hatya vai bheema kritye
        Maa no gaamashvam purusham vadheeh
        Atharvaveda 10.1.29

        It is definitely a great sin to kill innocents. Do not kill our cows, horses and people.

        How could there be justification of cow and other animals being killed when killing is so clearly prohibited in the Vedas?
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        Aghnyaa yajamaanasya pashoonpahi
        Yajurveda 1.1

        “O human! animals are Aghnya – not to be killed. Protect the animals”
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        Pashunstraayethaam
        Yajurveda 6.11

        Protect the animals.
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        Dwipaadava Chatushpaatpaahi
        Yajurveda 14.8

        Protect the bipeds and quadrupeds!
        ———————————————-
        Kravy da –kravya[ meat obtained from slaughter] + Ada [ the eater]—the meat eater.

        Pisacha — pisita [meat] +asa [eater]—the meat eater.

        Asutrpa — Asu [breath of life] + trpa [one who satisfies himself on]—one who takes others life for his meals.

        Garba da and Anda da – the foetus and egg eaters.

        Mans da – the meat eaters

        Meat eaters have always been looked down in Vedic literature. They have been known as Rakshasas, Pisacha and so on….All these words are synonyms of demons or devils that have been out-cast from the civilized human society.
        ——————————————–
        Urjam no dhehi dwipade chatushpade
        Yajurveda 11.83

        “May all bipeds and quadrupeds gain strength and nourishment”

        This mantra is recited by Hindus before every meal. How could the same philosophy which prays for well-being of every soul in every moment of life, approve of killing animals?
        ———————————————–
        Section 1: No violence in Yajna

        Yajna never meant animal sacrifice in the sense popularly understood. Yajna in the Vedas meant a noble deed or the highest purifying action.

        —————————————–
        Adhvara iti Yajnanaama – Dhvaratihimsaakarmaa tatpratishedhah
        Nirukta 2.7

        According to Yaaska Acharya, one of the synonyms of Yajna in Nirukta or the Vedic philology is Adhvara.

        Dhvara means an act with himsa or violence. And therefore a-dhvara means an act involving no himsa or no violence. There are a large number of such usage of Adhvara in the Vedas.
        ———————————————

        In the post-Mahabharata period, misinterpretation of the Vedas and interpolations in other scriptures took place at various points intime. Acharya Shankar reestablished the Vedic values to an extent.

        In the more recent times, Swami Dayanand Saraswati – known as the grandfather of modern India – interpreted the Vedas as per thecorrect rules of the language and authentic evidences. His literature, which includes commentary on the Vedas, Satyarth Prakash loosely translated as Light of Truth, An Introduction to the Vedas and other texts led to widespread social reformation based on Vedic philosophy and dispelling of myths surrounding the Vedas.

        Let us discover what the Vedas have to say on Yajna.

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        Agne yam yagnamadhvaram vishwatah pari bhuurasi
        Sa id deveshu gacchati
        Rigveda 1.1.4

        O lord of effulgence! The non-violent Yajna, you prescribe from all sides, is beneficial for all, touches divine proportions and is accepted by noble souls.
        —————————————-

        The Rigveda describes Yajna as Adhvara or non violent throughout. Same is the case with all the other Vedas. How can it be then concluded that the Vedas permit violence or slaughter of animals?

        The biggest accusation of cattle and cow slaughter comes in the context of the Yajnas that derived their names from different cattle like the Ashwamedh Yajna, the Gomedha Yajna and the Nar-medh Yajna. Even by the wildest stretch of the imagination the word Medha would not mean slaughter in this context.

        It’s interesting to note what Yajurveda says about a horse
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        Imam ma himsirekashafam pashum kanikradam vaajinam vaajineshu
        Yajurveda 13.48

        Do not slaughter this one hoofed animal that neighs and who goes with a speed faster than most of the animals.
        ———————————————————-

        Aswamedha does not mean horse sacrifice at Yajna. Instead the Yajurveda clearly mentions that a horse ought not to be slaughtered.

        In Shathapatha, Ashwa is a word for the nation or empire

        The word medha does not mean slaughter. It denotes an act done in accordance to the intellect Alternatively it could mean consolidation, as evident from the root meaning of medha i.e. medhru san-ga-me

        Raashtram vaa ashwamedhah
        Annam hi gau
        Agnirvaa ashwah
        Aajyam medhah
        (Shatpath 13.1.6.3)

        Swami Dayananda Saraswati wrote in his Light of Truth:

        A Yajna dedicated to the glory, wellbeing and prosperity of the Rashtra the nation or empire is known as the Ashwamedh yajna.

        “To keep the food pure or to keep the senses under control, or to make the food pure or to make a good use of the rays of Sun or keep the earth free from impurities[clean] is called Gomedha Yajna”.

        “The word Gau also means the Earth and the yajna dedicated to keep the Earth the environment clean is called Gomedha Yajna”

        “The cremation of the body of a dead person in accordance with the principles laid down in the Vedas is called Naramedha Yajna”.
        ———————————————–

        Section 3: No beef in Vedas

        Not only the Vedas are against animal slaughter but also vehemently oppose and prohibit cow slaughter.Yajurveda forbids killing of cows, for they provide energizing food for human beings

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        Ghrtam duhaanaamaditim janaayaagne maa himsiheeh
        Yajurveda 13.49

        Do not kill cows and bulls who always deserve to be protected.

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        Aare gohaa nrhaa vadho vo astu
        Rigveda 7.56.17

        In Rigveda cow slaughter has been declared a heinous crime equivalent to human murder and it has been said that those who commits this crime should be punished.
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        Sooyavasaad bhagavatee hi bhooyaa atho vayam bhagvantah syaama
        Addhi trnamaghnye vishwadaaneem piba shuddhamudakamaacharantee
        Rigveda 1.164.40 or Atharv 7.73.11 or Atharv 9.10.20

        The Aghnya cows – which are not to be killed under any circumstances– may keep themselves healthy by use of pure water and green grass, so that we may be endowed with virtues, knowledge and wealth.

        —————————————
        The Vedic Lexicon, Nighantu, gives amongst other synonyms of Gau[ or cow] the words Aghnya. Ahi, and Aditi. Yaska the commentator on Nighantu, defines these as-
        Aghnya the one that ought not to be killed
        Ahi the one that must not be slaughtered.
        Aditi the one that ought not to be cut into pieces.

        These three names of cow signify that the animal ought not to be put to tortures. These words appear frequently throughout the Vedas in context of the cow.

        ——————————————–

        Aghnyeyam saa vardhataam mahate soubhagaaya

        Rigveda 1.164.27
        Cow – The aghnya – brings us health and prosperity

        Suprapaanam Bhavatvaghnyaayaah
        Rigveda 5.83.8
        There should be excellent facility for pure water for Aghnya Cow

        Yah paurusheyena kravishaa samankte yo ashwena pashunaa yaatudhaanah

        Yo aghnyaayaa bharati ksheeramagne teshaam sheershaani harasaapi vrishcha
        Rigveda 10.87.16

        Those who feed on human, horse or animal flesh and those who destroy milk-giving Aghnya cows should be severely punished.

        Vimucchyadhvamaghnyaa devayaanaa aganma
        Yajurveda 12.73
        The Aghnya cows and bulls bring you prosperity

        Maa gaamanaagaamaditim vadhishta
        Rigveda 8.101.15
        Do not kill the cow. Cow is innocent and aditi – that ought not to be cut into pieces

        Antakaaya goghaatam
        Yajurveda 30.18
        Destroy those who kill cows

        Yadi no gaam hansi yadyashwam yadi poorusham
        Tam tvaa seesena vidhyaamo yatha no so aveeraha
        Atharvaveda 1.16.4

        If someone destroys our cows, horses or people, kill him with a bullet of lead.

        Vatsam jaatamivaaghnyaa
        Atharvaveda 3.30.1
        Love each other as the Aghnya – non-killable cow – loves its calf

        Dhenu sadanam rayeenaam
        Atharvaveda 11.1.34
        Cow is fountainhead of all bounties

        The entire 28th Sukta or Hymn of 6th Mandal of Rigveda sings the glory of cow.
        Aa gaavo agnamannuta bhadramakrantseedantu

        Bhooyobhooyo rayimidasya vardhayannabhinne

        Na taa nashanti na dabhaati taskaro naasaamamitro vyathiraa dadharshati

        Na taa arvaa renukakaato ashnute na samskritramupa yanti taa abhi

        Gaavo bhago gaava indro me achhaan

        Yooyam gaavo medayathaa

        Maa vah stena eeshata maaghanshasah

        1. Everyone should ensure that cows are free from miseries and kept healthy.
        2. God blesses those who take care of cows.
        3. Even the enemies should not use any weapon on cows
        4. No one should slaughter the cow
        5. Cow brings prosperity and strength

        6. If cows keep healthy and happy, men and women shall also keep disease free and prosperous

        7. May the cow eat green grass and pure water. May they not be killed and bring prosperity to us.

        ———————————————-

        What more proofs does one need to understand the high esteem in whichnot only the cow but each living being is held in the Vedas.

        The learned audience can decide for themselves from these evidences that the Vedas are completely against any inhuman practice… to top it all the Beef and Cow slaughter.

        • Hari says:

          Katherine,

          Vedas is an ancient document written in Vedic Sanskrit which is a dead language. Vedas was supposedly transmitted orally before it was documented over hundreds of years by several authors. It has been translated numerous times from the original Vedic Sanskrit. Hinduism allows for examination and it is perfectly reasonable for people whether they are Indians or Westerners to ask pertinent questions.

          You indicate that the “slander” has been heaped on the Vedas by Mahidhar, Uvat and Saayan during medieval times (about 800 years ago I guess) and the Vam-margis or the Tantra cult propagated this slander. You then indicate that the “Western” scholars spread the “falsehood” because they did not have a full grasp of Sanskrit.

          How do we know that the group of individuals who documented the Vedas from the verbal form did not edit it or subject it to their own interpretations? There is almost a 1600 year gap between when the earliest Vedas were “supposedly” documented and the medieval times. Who is to say that the original written texts remained unedited for almost 1600 years before the Mahidhar, Uvat and Saayan attempted to put their spin on it?

          You have cherry picked verses from the Vedas to prove your point. But others have used the very same Vedas to prove their point that meat eating is allowed. This is the problem that all scriptures face. They are self contradictory.

          I have provided my comments on some statements from your own translation:

          Manusmrithi 5:51: “Those who permit slaying of animals; those who bring animals for slaughter; those who slaughter; those who sell meat; those who purchase meat; those who prepare dish out of it; those who serve that
          meat and those who eat are all murderers
          ”. Note that according to these texts anyone who eats meat (not just beef) is a murderer. How many Indians take this verse seriously? If they did all Indians would be murderers. More than half the Hindus eat meat and the rest of them benefit from the tax money collected from this huge industry including you.

          Atharvaveda 6.140.2: “O teeth! You eat rice, you eat barley, you gram and you eat sesame. These cereals are specifically meant for you. Do not kill those who are capable of being fathers and mothers”. I could interpret this verse differently than you do. Plants have male and female sex organs. Do not kill anything that is capable of reproducing to me includes plants and not just animals.

          Mans da (the meat eaters): Your commentary “Meat eaters have always been looked down in Vedic literature. They have been known as Rakshasas, Pisacha and so on….All these words are synonyms of demons or devils that have been out-cast from the civilized human society”. I take this as an admission from the authors of the Veda that meat eating was taking place in India during Vedic times!!

          Yajurveda 13.48: “Do not slaughter this one hoofed animal (horse) that neighs and who goes with a speed faster than most of the animals”. This is a clear admission that slaughtering of the horse was happening during Vedic times. This is not news to those who have studied the migration of people from Central Asia to India. Horse sacrifice was an ultimate form of sacrifice for these people and they were fixated by the Chariot. This verse seems to be expressing second thoughts about this practice (maybe due to the influence of Buddhism).

          Nighantu: Your commentary: “These three names of cow signify that the animal ought not to be put to tortures. These words appear frequently throughout the Vedas in context of the cow”. A resonable interpretation would be that using the cow for transportation, using it in the field to cultivate, tying it with a rope, taking the milk that belongs to the calf and using it for human consumption or confining this animal to a limited space is torture and therefore prohibited by the Vedas.

          Atharvaveda 3.30.1: “Love each other as the Aghnya – non-killable cow – loves its calf”. If the Aghnya is a “non-kill-able cow” then it is safe to assume that Vedas considered certain other cows as “kill-able”.

          It is obvious from the above that the Vedas say a lot of things. Some we follow and others we do not. Why just target those who eat beef? Why not all meat eaters or those who “torture” the cows? Why not the vegetarians who benefit from torturing the cows in the fields?

          The selective targeting of beef eaters while ignoring the other prohibitions mentioned in the Vedas is pure discrimination.

      • Rajath says:

        Hindi is spoken by 35% – 40% of India’s population according to the Indian census department which is the point I made in the article. I am not taking about dialects. Hindi itself is a dialect and is part of the Indo-European language family.
        —————————————-

        Hello Sir, wake up & smell some coffee. The list from Indian Census Dept. u r talking of gives data of ppl with 1st language as Hindi. Hindi is known to nearly 75 to 80% of India. Take me for example… I’m from KAR & i very well know Hindi apart from my mother tongue Tulu, Kannada & Konkani. Hindi is spoken in almost all states except TN, Kerala & some parts of AP & North-East India. And from ur ignorance, it’s appears u r from either TN or Kerala… & no surprise whatsoever, for most of them the whole world starts at Chennai & ends at Kanyakumari.

        • Hari says:

          You hold stereotypical views about people from Tamil Nadu and Kerala. People in these states are very aware of their cultural heritage and are proud of it. Even if a language is spoken by only one person that language is more important to that person than any other.

          You state that Hindi is “known” to 75% to 80% of Indian people. Do you have any evidence for it? What is “known” anyway? All states in India “know” English.

          The Indian government over the past sixty years has manipulated census data and given the impression that there are more Hindi speakers in India than they really are. Independent entities like Ethnologue and Microsoft Encarta claim that there are only 180 – 200 million Hindi speakers in India (less than 22% of the Indian population). The Indian government arrives at a larger number for Hindi by adding people who speak Chhattisgarhi, Rajasthani, Magahi, Bhojpuri and Maithili. These language speakers are considered as “Hindi” speakers because these languages are not officially recognized by the government of India!

          Then on top of this the government adds the 60 million Urdu speakers as Hindi speakers as well. If we add Hindi, Urdu, Chhattisgarhi, Rajasthani, Magahi, Bhojpuri and Maithili then is it ethically correct to call this group as “Hindi speakers”? Hindi and Urdu are languages that are derived from a local language spoken in Delhi around the 12th century called Sauraseni mixed with Persian and Arabic. This “Mughal and Delhi Sultanate inspired” language does not create any excitement for non-Hindi speakers.

  7. TinkerBell says:

    You quote a never heard of book by a “renowned” historian? I have studied Vedas (English translations) and never ever found anything about gods eating meat.

    Hindi is a dialect? No further arguments. Waste of time.

    • Hari says:

      Welcome TinkerBell. I would trust a published work any day over individuals who claim they have studied the Vedas. Many people study the Veda and the Bible and so on but that does not mean anything. Please Google “Professor Dwijendra Narayan Jha” and you will know more about him and his book. You do not believe Hindi is a dialect of Sanskrit or other older languages? Please do a simple web search and educate yourself!!

      • Katherine Hoggard says:

        O Hari … dependent scholar reading foolish interpretations & quoting them as if you are an authentic scholar …. dont think that you can fool us…

        you dont have any knowledge Hari .. you are foolish denegrated dependant idiot

        Orey Pitchi bhadacaoe

        • Hari says:

          Katherine,

          This is what happens when you drink too much of the “Soma” that is frequently mentioned in the Rig Veda. Individuals like you claim knowledge of the Vedas and other Holy scriptures but never learnt the key messages that are found in almost all religions and scripture. One of these messages is “to treat others the way you wish to be treated”.

          Intolerant and hateful individuals like you do not represent nor speak for Hinduism.

  8. Naveen says:

    Dear Hari,
    Your name suggests some vedic background. Hari is name of Lord Vishnu. But by your words in this blog i can see completely how western education (introduced in british times) has been successful in creating a group of people who despise their own culture, their own religion. The first success is that you blindly agree to whatever is published in internet, without authenticity. It is reflected by your knowledge of Vedic culture which is very weak and distorted.
    Please dont consider this comment as a challenge rather i want to give another view point.
    Even if you dont believe in religion or vedic scriptures, what kind of noble person will slaughter his own mother who has fed milk to his child. Cow gives us milk and selfish people without any thought cut and eat her when she can no more give milk. Is this human behaviour we expect from the so called “Indians”, people from the land of religion.
    I know my comment will not change your view on cow slaughter because the taste of tongue is greater than the call for mercy on poor animals who cannot speak against the cruelty.
    If really want to know about vedic culture, believe me “PLEASE DO NOT READ VEDAS” Reason 1 – you cannot understand why vedas are recommending something or forbidding something. Reason 2 – You will read some english version which has been translated by some english men like max muller, who have no respect for vedic culture and has never led a life according to the sacred texts. What he has translated is word for word meaning which is also misunderstood due to his own distorted perceptions.
    If you really want to know about vedas/ vedic culture read the cream of vedas that is Bhagwad Gita from authentic source. “Bhagwad Gita As It Is” by A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami is quite authentic and has the escence of all vedic literatures. He also qoutes many puranas and upanishads in proper context unlike other scholars who qoute the incidents from vedas/puranas/upanishads out of context.
    And more over he has lived a life according to the message of Vedas and Bhagwad Gita.

    When reading spiritual subject matters, the authenticity of content is crucial to right knowledge otherwise as the saying goes – “Little knowledge is dangerous thing”.

    This is a fact when it comes to indians, esp in when it comes to religion/God.

    your friend,
    naveen

    • Hari says:

      Welcome and thank you for your “advice” Naveen.

      Your mind is closed. I believe I have a much more deeper knowledge and understanding of Indian culture and its people than you. You do not understand the diversity of India or the fact that any religions texts can be interpreted differently by different “experts”. You have a problems with non-vegetarians although most of Indians are non-vegetarians. You do not like beef but you are fine with eating plants which are also life forms and are more critical for the existence of life on earth. You are educated but lack knowledge.

      • folkefiende says:

        I agree with Hari. To my knowldge the book by Dwijendranath is probably still banned in India.

  9. Sandeep says:

    Hi,

    1> According to me a man should have a choice in deciding any of the animal for meat consumption whether it is Crocodile, Chicken, Beef, Pork, Fish, Horse and what not eaten around the world. As long as the production of the meat does not conflict with the stability of nature, does not cause undue suffering to animals and is produced hygienically, it should better be left to one’s palate. To be more precise here with respect to the would-be menu at Commonwealth Games, considering the nations which will participate and out of what would be considered good hospitality, it would be good to keep the menu as international as possible. Lets not forget that Beef is anyway available on menu of all 5 star hotels & many restaurants across the length & breadth of India. Its not akin to asking for Dog meat in India.

    2> I am sure the stereotype of a typical Indian being a vegeterian is changing slowly and will soon change for good now that the globalization permits more mingling of the culture and experiences.

    • Hari says:

      I absolutely agree with you on both points.

  10. naveen says:

    Dear Sandeep, Open your eyes sir, Look around you will find that most of the diseases caused have their root in meat eating and experimenting with animal flesh..be it mad cow disease, Swine flu, bird flu and what not…
    yes of course it is your choice you can eat whatever u want..You can also eat your mother because she has stopped giving you milk…That is what you are doing with mother cow…But I am very happy with the govt decision because even if the citizens are foolish it is duty of good govt to take right decisions..

    @Hari..you think yourself to be very knowledgeable but it seems you have no knowledge of vedic culture, indian ethos and values which are carried out even today by devout indians.. You are one of those people who accept blindly whatever west has to offer..
    You can do nothing good for India..but simply create confusing situations by your intelligensia..thats is why indians like you are in dire need of training in vedic-culture, system and values which you are completely unaware of.

    • Hari says:

      Naveen,

      It is a shame that in this day and age educated people like you exhibit this level of intolerance and lack of knowledge. For whatever reason (without showing a shred of evidence) you have made statements that I have no knowledge of “vedic culture, Indian ethos and values carried out by devout Indians“. People who know a lot more about Indian society than you and me have written books about it.

      For your information I am a devout Indian too. I come from a rural family. My parents, grandparents and their parents have been eating meat. They did not have any “Western” influence. Muslims have been eating meat in India for over 1200 years (I hope you consider them Indians). Do you understand where I am going with this argument? You use the word Indian society loosely. Your views reflect not Indian view but fundamentalist Hindu opinion.

      You want to impose your views on Hinduism on others. You believe Hindus should not eat meat and therefore you call others who do eat meat ignorant among other things. Human beings (whether they are Indians are not) are Omnivores. Eating meat has been part of our diet for millions of years.

      Your lack of knowledge jumps out when you equate swine flu, bird flu, and mad cow disease with meat eating. What about the farmer who uses cows in the field? What about people who use bullock carts and horses for transportation? These diseases come because of close interaction and proximity between human beings and the animal kingdom in a crowded planet. It also comes because of not taking proper precautionary procedures when interacting with animals. Not because we eat meat. Human beings over the course of our evolution have built resistance against swine flue, mad cow and so on. It is the new forms of strains that is causing the problem. It is not because we are eating meat.

      All these issues that you mentioned (bird flu, mad cow, swine flu) occur in most numbers in countries like India that has a lot of vegetarians and not in the USA or Western Europe where meat eating is common. Have you wondered why? Of course you do not want to investigate and gain knowledge. You just want to believe what your swami said and your concept of Vedic culture.

      The government of Delhi did not make the right decision here. They just caved in to Hindu fundamentalists like you.

      • folkefiende says:

        I quite agree with you Hari. A tolerant Hindu myself and also eating meat.However in an evolutionary perspective it seems quite inconcievable that before man got to know how to make fire, he was eating meat. I think human beings started somewhere in the tropics and originally were survining on fruits and veggies. Then came fire, tools or rather tools fire…fish the ability to move immigrate and then followed vedic people and there different phases including eating cow and other acts which might be considered immoral (read incest) by todays standards. Point is that what was ok yesterday may not be tomorrow and although meat eating was ok yesterday and today it might be tabooed in a society 500 or 1000 years from now.

        • Hari says:

          Welcome Folkefiende.

          Thank you for the comments. I am not sure if there is a correlation between eating meat and the ability to start a fire. A vast majority of living things that eat meat cannot create fire. So it is very conceivable in my opinion that human beings started eating meat before eating fruits and vegetables (obviously this issue is debatable). But what we know is that the intestinal tract of human beings are designed to process both meat and vegetables (this is rare in nature). This ability to survive on meat and/or vegetables gives us a critical edge over other living things.

          I also do not see any difference between eating meat or vegetables from a “moral” stand point (vegetables and animals are living things and we are taking life every time we eat). People eat what is available where they happen to live.

  11. Jocjabes says:

    Regardless if its in the Vedas or not beef eating is not part of mainstream indian culture and should reflect that custom when hosting games or national events.
    But I found your arguments on beef eating to be exhausting as with many other ppl who want this custom. I think Hinduism’s real gist is not to impose your views on any living creature. This is ultimate freedom. Of course this has been diluted greatly since, but essentially you can eat all the beef you want as long as the cow died a natural death. I find that supporters never bring up this moot point and this could be why there are some records of ppl eating beef. Cow slaughter as with any animal slaughter is grossly misaligned with that fundamental belief of hinduism. Hinduism is a pagan religion and it respects nature by worshiping it. Hence, slaughter is imposing your will on another creature.
    I am more than supporting of Delhi games to be serving beef of cows that died naturally. The body is just a vessel to hold the soul and after the soul leaves the body will decay. Anything created will decay so it can be used but we have to wait patiently. But slaughtering cows goes against our fundamental values as hindus that we hold dear. You dont need to look to scriptures to justify this. It is just common sense when you have a deeper meaning of true hinduism.

    • Hari says:

      Welcome Jocjabes,

      The real “fundamental beliefs” of Hinduism are that there are no fundamental beliefs.

      In a secular democratic country like India “mainstream culture” does not get to decide what all Indians should be eating or not eating. What you are stating is your version of Hinduism. That is fine. But as you mentioned one should not impose ones concept of what is Hinduism and will on another living creature like me.

      Do you eat plants, vegetables, fruits or flowers? They are living things as well and you are imposing your will on them!

      What you are ignoring is that eating meat (including beef), eating seafood, animal sacrifice, putting animals to work (which is imposing your will on another creature) are all practiced in India for thousands of years. All these do not go against my fundamental values as a Hindu. These are part of my culture.

      • Jocjabes says:

        Hi Hari,

        Hinduism has no fundamental beliefs? Then what about karma, reincarnation, moksha? I just gave a clear cut example how you can still eat animals but still avoid slaughter. Interesting how I didn’t hear any rebuttal for that.

        But India has always been a cow respecting nation. Its not something new. A lot of arable land that can feed the hungry in the developed world is being used for cow grazing so that they can be killed. The cow, economically, has shown time and time again it is much better for humanity if its kept alive. But this another debate. Yes you are imposing your will on it when you force it to work it. But its a trade. You feed it and protect it. I would imagine that is far, far better for the cow than killing it. What do you think? The cow has provided the livelihood of many indians which in turn has enriched inda’s culture. You wouldn’t find dogmeat served in Olympics taking place in America, when the Korean national team is in town would you? Why because dogs are considered as pets and is quite offensive to the ‘mainstream’ american public to eat it even if there maybe pockets of american society that eat it. No need to politicize the argument by bringing in words like secular or democratic.

        I am surprised to find that you are equating personal liberties with the right to life of animals. And I was talking mainly in the context of animals. Yes plants are living but they dont run away when you try to kill them, or defend themselves when being cornered. Animals clearly dont want you to touching them. But if you believe your palate deserves to be enriched at the cost of their lives then I’m sorry you are already biased in the point of view of having beef served already you have your mind made up. But not serving beef maybe an imposition but my point is it doesn’t have to be when you serve the meat of the cow, that has naturally passed away. There are no black and white areas; Just because ppl die from drink driving is it wise for the government to ban driving? No that is ridiculous. You have to do the best you can and use a bit of sense and not demand things at the behest of personal liberties.

        I am sorry in advance if I am coming off as rude. That is not my intention.

        • Hari says:

          Jocjabes,

          Most Hindus in South India and Northeast India would not know the meaning of the words Karma and Moksha. Hinduism is a collection of hundreds of religions and philosophies. I am a Hindu but I do not believe in reincarnation, Karma or Moksha. Hinduism is not a book religion. I believe in using my common sense and reason above anything else.

          It is strange that you are expecting a rebuttal of your belief that people like me should wait for a cow to die of natural causes before eating it. Do you wait for a plant to naturally die before eating it? I do not want to wait for a cow that a “Hindu” has exploited and tortured its entire life to die, in order to eat it. The least I can do is to let it die with dignity.

          I believe that you either can impose your will on another living creature or not. There is no if else or but about it. For some of us it is perfectly acceptable when it comes to torturing another living creature by making it do hard labor its entire life and drink its milk that its babies should be drinking. Did the cow shake its head and give us permission? Does the cow plough the fields on its own free will or do we tie a rope around its neck, restrict its eyesight and put nails inside its hoof and sit on it and whip it using a leash?

          You state “Yes plants are living but they dont run away when you try to kill them, or defend themselves when being cornered. Animals clearly dont want you to touching them.” Are you alright with killing newborn calf’s then? Will it be alright if we tranquilize the animal before killing it?

          I do not differentiate between plants and animals when it comes to life. We have no right to take that life. Just because a plant or animal does not run away or defend itself does not mean that we can take its life. But we have to in order to survive.

          Secularism and democracy are important to this debate. This is not a Hindu debate. Muslims (there are 150 million of them in India) do eat beef. So trivializing this issue by comparing eating dog meat in America to eating beef in India is not valid. India has a long established tradition of eating beef and other forms of meat. This is not only part of our culture today but clearly part of our written traditions. Although this debate is about beef I have noticed that the same crowd is normally against eating other forms of meat or seafood.

          It is alright if you believe that as a Hindu you should not eat cow meat. The beauty of Hinduism is that you can believe in what you want. I worry when that narrow interpretation of some Hindus (mostly from the North) is forced on the rest of the country and passed off as a fact when it is not.

  12. jocjabes says:

    Most hindus in south India will not know about those things?? I am south Indian and they have been in my household whenever my mother performs rituals or when we go to temple as seen in the imagery, sculptures, paintings and architecture. Many yogic traditions that arise from south India like isha yoga, nithyananda meditation, hugging amma, sai baba (to name a few) all stress about karma and nonviolence. South Indian cinema pumps out movies relating to ascetics, moksha etc atleast once a year. I am glad you have taken it upon yourself to speak for the entire diaspora. Yes Hinduism is a collection of philosophies but in the core of it is yoga, meditation, service for the purpose of liberation and well being. If you don’t believe at least that then you are in denial about being a hindu. But I do concur that Hinduism is great in that it doesn’t impose those things on you till you want to and that is what great about it. Even in the Thirukkural it talks about karma, nonviolence, patience. So people do know about it…they may not know the scriptures but they what those mean.

    Who said about eating a cow that has been exploited from a hindu? There are millions just roaming around. And what is this personification of dignity for a cow. A cow doesn’t know that. You are just introducing that human created concept of dignity to justify killing it which has no basis whatsoever to the subject of discussion. Next you might talk about having the last rites read to a cow before being killed because its master is a hindu so the cow must be hindu too.

    Yes I do agree with you that we do impose it work just we as a society impose ppl to earn a living just to survive in this world. But just because we do impose work on cows doesn’t mean that can completely jump to the end of the spectrum and kill it. There is a major difference. We all know when we go to vote we are going to vote for the lesser of two evils so does that justify us in not voting at all because we assume they are just going be evil regardless?
    You are comparing a mammal with a plant which is baseless. Ok then, a newborn calf can’t run or defend but alteast we can hear it cry when we cutting it up can’t we? Hmm, maybe its crying because it likes to be cut up. Oh yeah and tranquilizing an animal? Isn’t that a violent act in and of itself so, we are still back to the discussion of cow slaughter. Yes we have to survive but as many in India’s rich history would show ppl have survived just on fruits and veggies. Meat is added bonus and not “necessary” for survival, atleast not in a hot country like india.

    So politics are playing a role in this argument again. Fine. I think Pork is being served in the games, if I am not mistaken and I have read how you love pork. So if an indian muslim argues against serving pork are you going to say that 850 million hindus don’t mind eating pork and they have always been part of the fabric of India so it should be served? If you do, then I think you are being duplicitous and jumping on the religious bandwagon to suit your needs. And in the case of written traditions yes there are some references to beef eating, but there are far, far more references to eating foods that do not have beef or any meat at all in them. You cant just conveniently and selectively forget about that side of the spectrum when you bring up scriptures.

    My point here is not to make you not eat beef or any meat. My point is not religious, political or statistics. They are all man made travesties that try to justify any means to an end. Mine is entirely playing up to the traditional sentiments of India. The cow has a significant economic, cultural, moral, philosophical impact on the people of India. Would you kill something of value to you or your friend/family/gf? Would you not stay up all night nursing that drunk, heart broken friend of yours even though you have work the next day? In the same manner, the cow is valued alive maybe not by you but to a lot of Indians. But as I said, if beef needs to be served then just wait till it dies and I am sure with the millions there in India, the beef should be in constant supply. In that sense, you are satisfying both sides of the spectrum. But of course policing this might be another story. And I don’t think fussing about waiting for it to die, or not wanting to eat it because it lost its so called dignity by being ‘tortured’ is a valid reason enough to warrant killing it. They are just technicalities.

    • Hari says:

      I have lived in South India for decades and words like Moksha, Dharma and Karma are foreign to me. But you are right I should not speak on behalf of South Indians. I think you should stop talking on behalf of Hinduism and India!!

      As a Hindu I am doing exactly what my parents did and millions of Hindus like me do every day. I am not “in denial” of being a Hindu. I think that you are in denial of Hindus like me.

      I do not think anybody gets to decide what a persons eating habits should be (except maybe my doctor). You might think that meat is an “added bonus”. It is not for me. I like to eat a balanced diet that includes beef. Your comment about meat being an “added bonus” could be said of vegetables and fruits also.

      You started off by saying that “we should not impose our will on any living creature”. But you started diluting your stand when you were asked why the “holy cow” is made to work all its life against its will (this is nothing but torture for the animal).

      You want a human being like me to eat a dead animal if I want to eat meat. I think that you have more respect for a cow than for a human being. My ancestors did not climb all the way to the top of the food chain to eat a dead animal.

      When asked why it is not acceptable to take animal life but fully acceptable to take plant life you said plants do not protest. Now you are saying that your main argument against eating beef is “Mine is entirely playing up to the traditional sentiments of India. The cow has a significant economic, cultural, moral, philosophical impact on the people of India“. The cow does not have all this impact on “India”. This sort of impact of the cow is on certain sections of the “Hindu society” in India.

      There are many who feel the same way about the cow including some of my friends. But they know not to “impose their will” on another living creature like me. At least they practice what they preach!!

      I think enough has been said between us on this subject.

  13. Neetu Kaimal says:

    India is a very diverse nation and has vastly different cuisines. But to a few dealing with this diversity is becoming a major problem. They want to “standardize” India , particularly Hinduism. My philosophy always is to believe in what you want but don’t force your beliefs on others. If we do then we are no different than other “missionary” religions.

    It is a fact that millions of Indians eat beef and as you pointed out there is a long tradition of eating beef in India . This is not a “fringe group” as some believe.

    The anti-beef community will use economic, moral, life vs. death, and cultural and philosophical reasons for preventing others from eating beef. But don’t be fooled. The real reason is their belief that the cow is sacred according to their interpretation of Hinduism.

    They might be against killing the cow but they have no problems making the same sacred cow work for them under extremely difficult circumstances its entire life, use it as a means of transportation, drink its milk, make and profit from dairy products and then sell the cow to meat markets when the cow is almost ready to die and is of no use to them.

    You have to kill to survive. Some favor killing plant life and others animal life. Every time you breathe in you are killing thousands of minute airborne organisms. It is as simple as that.”

    • Hari says:

      Good point. I couldn’t agree with you more.

  14. Anchit says:

    After several readings in different history classes, my understanding why Hindu’s (not Indians in general as Indians can be Muslim or Christian or Jewish even)don’t eat beef is the fact that Indian’s had a shortage of cows at one point in their history. They use to sacrifice cows as it is a symbol of prosperity. Sacrifice a cow hope they get rich yadi yadi yada. Well the cow has more purpose for Hindu/Indian society at the time (as they weren’t really Hindus then but forming to be) they plowed the fields, gave milk. Remember this was before the age of refrigerators, they could not store meat back then. So would you rather have meat for 3days to a week or milk and plowed vegetables for years. Its simple survival. Do not kill the cow as it holds great value to your domestic life at the time. However select groups still ate beef as it was considered a delicacy. But anyways people forget history has a lot to do with religion. However hindu’s hold the cow sacred yet had a caste system…if that’s not hypocrisy in the highest degree then I do not know what is.

    • Hari says:

      Welcome Anchit,

      I understand your point. The cow can be programmed to help us human beings (against its will). But we should be careful before taking the leap from what is helpful and important in our day to day lives to something that is sacred. For people who live in hilly areas a goat is more important than a cow. Same holds true for people who live in arid regions were a donkey or a camel is very important. For people who live in backwaters and coastal areas a fish or a coconut tree is very important for sustaining their life style. So what is sacred and important to one section of the population is not that important or sacred to another. We should stop imposing one set of ideology on others.

      Your point about the caste system is well taken.

  15. P Judge says:

    Hi Hari

    I am a kshatriya belonging to the Kamboj caste, I have been pretty much misguided through my 16 years of life that beef is forbidden in Hinduism, but since a year ago I have found different castes were and are entitled to doing different things, like my caste entitles me to eat beef because we are ‘mlecchas’ (barbarians) but I feel guilty if I ate beef, what should be the steps in getting rid of the guilt?

    Regards

    • Hari says:

      Paul,

      You should consult a doctor. Guilt is the least of your problems :)

  16. hariha says:

    Hi, I am from kerala, i think beef fry is quite tasty, apart from that i take beef daily, it is available in every hotel every street etc, now regarding the nutrient quality i think it is excellent in beef, remember alluding khilji, all teh b loody south indian kingdoms fell to him and mallik kafur ,it it said that all the south indian kingdoms ate rice and sambar, the mughal army marched on beef soup and beef stew and biriyani, i swear all the si kingdoms fell like sticks to the mughals, if all stick to veg diet a day will come when the beef eaters will once again rise from the ashes to devour you and your women, because of few beef eaters like us you all will be saved until then happy dal fry and rotis, moreover let me tell you all dalits eat beef, im proud to be one and we eat beef on a regular basis, no other mausi dare to even raise their eyes against us, it is because of us that there is a balance of power in india between beef eaters and indians not because of you brahmins who eat dal subzi, i know you hypocrites very well

  17. Desi says:

    No matter what you eat, you have to honor the religious sentiments of other people: Lot of hindus prefer to avoid beef. Why do Muslims avoid pork? Why do Jews prefer to eat kosher foods? Why does everybody avoids horses? It seems that nobody is comfortable eating all the animals that come our way.

    In spite of all the beef that Mughals ate, they could not stop the fall of their own empire. Going by that argument, is energy from beef the reason for all the infighting between different tribes in our neighbouring countries?

    The Hindu revivalism carried on by many Hindu saints and philosophers such as Vivekananda was not hindered by eating habits.

    Eat all the meat you want, make sure your cholesterol, as well as your tempers, is in control

    • Hari says:

      Desi,

      The whole problem is with your first sentence: “No matter what you eat, you have to honor the religious sentiments of other people”. Who gets to define what the religious sentiments of a particular religion is, particularly a religion that is as diverse and varied like Hinduism? Vast majority of Indians are non-vegetarians and eat meat (including beef). Eating meat including beef is part of the Vedas which some Hindus consider to be one of our key scriptures. So eating beef is does not dishonor the sentiments of Hinduism. It is perfectly in tune.

      Obviously equating bravery, the rise and fall of empires, or infighting between people to the type of food they eat is not a valid argument.

      You say “Why does everybody avoids horses?” Have you read the Rig Veda? Kings and Brahmin priests during Vedic times spent entire fortunes in horse sacrifice and goat sacrifice and eating the meat (Ashvamedha). Horse sacrifice is also a fertility ritual and has sexual connotations. Goat sacrifice is still very common in India. So these traditions continue. Just Google “Vedic Horse Sacrifice” and start reading!

      Some individuals avoid eating certain types of food (I know a person who does not eat onions). This is a “choice”. But preventing others from eating beef (which is perfectly legal in India) is forcing your opinion and views on others. This is discrimination!

      You are trying to equate eating meat with cholesterol and somehow temper. Ill informed as these comments might be cholesterol is found in significant quantities in breast milk and cow milk in addition to cooking oil and things like chocolate. Of course the human body needs cholesterol for survival. Even when you reduce cholesterol intake the liver will increase the production of cholesterol automatically to keep the level constant. Balanced diet and exercise is the solution!

  18. Desi says:

    I was referring to the contemporary religious beliefs of majority of hindus. I do not want to join the debate about what is Hinduism etc. It is an ocean, and one can never completely review all the facets of this great tradition, in my opinion. Anybody can quote a verse or two from the vedas and claim to be a pundit on the entire religion. I am asking to honor the religious sentiments of majority of your fellow countrymen.
    When I mentioned that nobody eats horses, I was only referring to the current food eating habits of mjority of the humanity, to make a point. Again, I am not joining a debate on the historical beliefs, or the merit of them. Because I do not think I know enough about Hinduism to pass summary judgments.
    In essence, I was responding to hariha’s comment. You should too, I think.

    • Hari says:

      If you were referring to contemporary beliefs, then how did you come to the conclusion that majority of Indians are against eating beef? This statement is manufactured and not based on any data.

      A 2006 IBN-Hindu survey found the following:

      60% of Indians are non-vegetarians (only 31% of Indians are vegetarians if you include egg).
      45% of Brahmins are non-vegetarians.
      21% Indian families are vegetarians (all members are vegetarians)
      98% of the citizens of Kerala, 92% in Tamil Nadu, 96% in Andhra Pradesh, 97% in West Bengal and 92% of the people in Orissa are non-vegetarians. Even in a conservative state like Gujarat, 45% of the people are non-vegetarians!

      So we can frame the argument in many different ways. The answer is the same.

  19. Dan says:

    Anyone who really wants to progress spiritually should not eat beef. if you just want to do the minimum you can do what ever you want but you are not going to grow spiritually, in fact you will go backwards if you go back to eating meat. Eating meat basically means you do not value Hinduism, I know of no guru who would permit it and ones who do I wonder about. If india takes on meat eating they will end up like the rest of the world. In Europe they get into a lot of wars and meat makes for poor health and hurts spirituality because it makes you more aggressive. We have science on our side here! Many doctors seek to get their patients off meat. meat is also to expensive for the environment and i doubt the cows like it either.

    • Hari says:

      Dan,

      There is a difference between the opinions that you stated and facts. Majority of what you stated is baloney (smoked sausage)! First you assume that anyone who wants to progress spiritually should not eat beef. Really? Do you have any supporting data? Second, are you suggesting that someone who wants to progress spiritually is superior to someone who does not want to do so? What if I do not want to progress spiritually but want to progress in taking care of other people and defending their rights to eat what they want and what they can afford? Then you state that eating meat leads to aggressiveness!

      Hinduism does not need any guru. Most of the gurus that I know of are phony and self serving.

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