so against your racist nazi theoryy

You want me to be humble but then seem to be “certain” when you state that “Science is only very precise about the known knoweldge and there is more unknown than the known“. How do you know this? Do you have a sixth sense or are you basing it on scientific facts?

People with M52 marker arrived in India about 25,000 years ago. The M52 marker is related to the older M69 marker which is from the Middle East.

I have not read a lot about the markers present in Sri Lanka. I know that the Sinhalese language is Indo-European so that might indicate some presence of the Indo-European marker (M17). I am not sure what percentage of the Sri Lankan population has this marker (I have read somewhere that it is only about 10%).

There is an article called “The Genetics of Language and Farming Spread in India”. In Table 17.2 there is some information on the Y-Chromosomal haplogroup frequencies in India and Sri Lanka.

Thanks for the links.In the National Geographic website, there are two migration trajectories leading to Southern India. One is M20 and the other is M52. Q1.) What is the relationship between M20 and M52. Q2.) Which of the trajectory leads into present Sri Lanka? The website does not give any option to zoom into Sri Lanka. My goal is to accumulate facts that will help determine the migration of Sinhalese vs. Tamil in Sri Lanka.

Sorry for the delayed response. I was out for a few days. Go to “The Genographic Project” website that is part of National Geographic. Click on “Genetic Markers”. All the key genetic markers are displayed. Scroll down to M20. There is a map with information about M20.

I would like to do more research into the following news (M20 marker). Too much of killing in Sri Lanka because of the Ariyan mythology Sinhalease have been promoting.

Can you send me links to reliable sources that can be referenced. Thanks in advance.

http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=33077

Welcome and thank you for commenting. I am familiar with this article. Michel Danino is a French author who supports the “indigenous Aryan” theory. Many proponents of Hindutva and “Indigenous Aryan” theory point to such articles as evidence against the Aryan Invasion Theory (I am not suggesting that you are one of them).

Aryan and Dravidian are terms found in scripture. There are a lot more to these terms than what science can answer at this point (like are the Aryans the owners of the Indus Valley Civilization or are the Aryans responsible for the downfall of the IVC. An invasion might indicate a war or confrontation of some time which might not be the case. An invasion might suggest large numbers of people. But people with the M17 marker are very few in India compared to the rest of the population).

I am concerned at this point about human migration and what our DNA can tell us in this regard. Studies clearly indicate that modern human beings originated in Africa. They also indicate that there are many migrations into India from Africa, Middle East and Central Asia at different periods of time. The debate is whether the people with the M17 markers migrated from the Steppes to the rest of the world including India or did the marker originate in India and then migrated to every nook and corner of the world (Indigenous Aryan theory).

Indians and the supporters of the “Indigenous Aryan” theory blame people like Max Mueller for creating the “Aryan Invasion Theory”. But who proposed the “Indigenous Aryan” theory? There are no references in our history or scripture for this “out of India” theory. In fact many Europeans in the 18th century (like Godfrey Higgins) who loved India and its ancient culture are some of the first people to suggest such concepts!!

One of the conclusions of Michel is the following: “In fact, several experts, such as Lluís Quintana-Murci,20 Vincent Macaulay,21 Stephen Oppenheimer,22 Michael Petraglia,23 and their associates, have in the last few years proposed that when Homo sapiens migrated out of Africa, he first reached South-West Asia around 75,000 BP, and from here, went on to other parts of the world”. This is an obvious statement considering that human beings were migrating from Africa towards India and Australia along the coast of the Arabian Sea. South West Asia means the Middle East and Arabian Peninsula.

But then he adds his own interpretation by indicating in the same paragraph that “In simple terms, except for Africans, all humans have ancestors in the North-West of the Indian peninsula”. When did South-West Asia become North-West of the Indian peninsula? Are we Indians that desperate to draw a connection? If this is the case a person in Malaysia can say that human beings first arrived in South West Asia which is the North West of Malaysia. The devil is in the details.

http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/genetics-aryan-debate.html

The internet is a great resource to get a basic understanding of what DNA is and what genetic markers are. Definition of a genetic marker from Wikipedia: “A genetic marker is a gene or DNA sequence with a known location on a chromosome that can be used to identify cells, individuals or species. It can be described as a variation (which may arise due to mutation or alteration in the genomic loci) that can be observed. A genetic marker may be a short DNA sequence, such as a sequence surrounding a single base-pair change (single nucleotide polymorphism, SNP), or a long one, like mini-satellites“. There is nothing inconclusive about the overall findings.

Also, as Senthil says, the data need not be inaccurate.. merely inconclusive. Remember Newton’s laws?

You have understood these statements in a wrong way. I have done my DNA testing with 23andme.com and they provide exactly what genography project does not provide. Yes, they determine your maternal and paternal haplogroups as well as your disease risks. Genogrpahy project’s aim is not to find out about those. Hence they explicitly state that. You are taking that in a wrong context.

The Genographic Project is a project about the study of human migration. As the disclaimer states it is not a genealogy study. Genealogy websites generally deal with providing more information about an individual’s ancestry. Individuals normally use these websites to find out more about others who are in the same database who might also be related to them. A genealogy project (website) typically provides a candidate with a percentage breakdown of the DNA by ethnicity or race. The Genographic Project does not.

The objective of The Genographic Project is in the disclaimer itself: “… your results will reveal the anthropological story of your direct maternal or paternal ancestors—where they lived and how they migrated around the world many thousands of years ago”. I think it is very clear.

The disclaimer also states that “They are based on current science and may become more detailed and refined as the ongoing field research yields new information”. This should not be surprising either. The data will become more detailed and refined as more people provide their DNA for analysis. This is database 101. This does not mean that the data already published and peer reviewed is inaccurate.

The findings regarding the origins of modern humans and the human migration story is a body blow to all religions including Christianity. The African origin and migration from Africa is not a “hypothesis” as you are trying to propagate. It is an established fact among the scientific community. But established facts have not prevented people from believing in what they want in the past. It takes years if not centuries to wean some people away from their hard core beliefs.

Human beings already migrated to parts of South India almost 60,000 years ago. So contact between Tamil Nadu and Greece 2000 years ago and trade between Western coast of India and Madagascar around the same time does not disprove the overall theory.

Human beings are very good at noticing differences. There are millions of characteristics that are common to all human beings. But we rather focus on the minor differences like hair or skin color. In fact similar differences (height, weight, complexion, body type etc.) exist between siblings. But that does not mean that the parents are different.

The data that I provided in the article is based on my DNA test results. The tests were conducted by The Genographic Project. This project is led by National Geographic and by IBM. The information that I provided regarding specific Genetic Markers can be found on The Genographic Project website.

The Genographic Project according to their website “received full approval from the Social and Behavioral Sciences Institutional Review Board (IRB) at the University of Pennsylvania Office of Regulatory Affairs on April 12, 2005”. The other major IRB’s are:

Australia: La Trobe University, Melbourne
East Asia: Fudan University, Shanghai
(IRB body: Ministry of Science and Technology, Shanghai)
Europe (mtDNA): Institut Paseur, Paris
Europe (y-DNA): Universitat Pompea Fabra, Barcelona
India: Madurai Kamaraj University, Tamil Nadu, India
Middle East: American University of Beirut
North America: University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia
North Eurasia: Russian Academy Medical Genetics, Moscow
South America: University of Minas Gerais, Belo Horizonte, Brazil
(Protocol currently under review by the national ethics committee: C.O.N.E.P. [Comitê de Ética em Pesquisas])
Sub-Saharan Africa: National Health Laboratory Services, Johannesburg

I know what a hypothesis is. It is the concept of “God”!!

You will not receive a percentage breakdown of your genetic background by ethnicity, race, or geographic origin. Nor will you receive confirmation of an association with a particular tribe or ethnic group.

Furthermore, this is not a genealogy study. You will not learn about your great-grandparents or other recent relatives, and your DNA trail will not necessarily lead to your present-day location. Rather, your results will reveal the anthropological story of your direct maternal or paternal ancestors—where they lived and how they migrated around the world many thousands of years ago.

A Real-Time Research Project:-
Remember, your initial results are just the beginning. They are based on current science and may become more detailed and refined as the ongoing field research yields new information. Be sure to visit this Web site often to follow along as we post new findings and automatically update your results.

So, nothing can be concluded to accurate level.. again, your contention that it is a fact or reality doesnt holds good..

If you carefully see, the entire research by those westerners are based on the christian theology that mankind came from Adam & EVE.. so far, all their researches are centered around this concept.. so based on available skeletons, they came to a premature conclusion, that mankind came from africa..

So, partly there is darwinion theory , and partly the christian theology, which has influenced them..
To be precise, they stripped of the “God” from bible, and then took that single man and woman (the adam and eve) for research..

You see.. the darwinian evolution theory itself is being questioned by many scientist.. the possibility of evolution creating very intelligent designs like human beings are almost nil..

Also this research on human migration is done under ideal conditions, that humans migrated just in one way direction and that there were no other disturbances..

But if we look at history, there were extensive trade b/w tamilnadu and greek as far as 1st Century BC.. which gives us a pointer that there were two way population migrations 2000 years before..

Similarly an extensive trade was done along the entire coast of western india, up to madagaskar.. No one knows from when this trade started.. but the point is africans were already in contact with india, and viceversa..

NExt, africa did not have any extensive civilization, but much of asia had.. just with limited archeological data we have, we cannot come to any pre-mature conclusion..

Next, if we look at people groups, the white man’s fair and complexion is entirely different from african blacks.. even among african blacks, different groups have different complexion..

The chinese body structure is different from european whites.. the red indians have their own complexion..

its very hard to believe, that they all came from a single man/woman from africa.. Evolution theory do not hold any where here..

So instead of believing what the white man says, try to have a skeptical and independant outlook..

And for gods sake, please dont conclude what you are saying are facts and realities.. they are only hypothesis, and i hope, you understand what a hypothesis means..

This is what I said about Sanskrit “The M17 marker first appears about 15,000 years ago in Southern Russia/Ukraine. The Indo-European languages including Sanskrit, Greek, Latin and now English are closely linked to this group“. Did I say Sanskrit is developed in Ukraine?

DNA technology is not something that is the monopoly of the West. Most Indian experts have come to the same conclusion as well.

Consider reading “The Journey of Man” by Spencer Wells.